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Indlæg af Thomas Man Feb 26, 2024 7:44 am

Som skrevet andet steds:

You could have mentioned the EU-commission and the frozen Russian assets. Now I am getting technical here, but bear with me.

Those frozen assets will/shall be administered in a fideicommis.Which is an ancient legal construct. You can't spend the money in that fideicommis, which is the precise purpose of said construct. It was used originally to protect assets from being squandered by irresponsible successors to the estate. That was typically real estate - great manors of agricultural property. The beneficiaries can spend the proceeds from the assets - less the necessary upkeep. Now assets might be sold off and the proceeds from the sale can be placed in maximum security assets - like sovereign bonds (not russian bonds, as they cannot be termed secure). The french still use the revolutionary calendar to calculate some yields from russian pre-revolutionary consoles (a console is a bond that never reach maturity, but interest is paid in perpetuity - normally the central bank will buy them back as they are a pain in the posterior to keep calculating and are not freely transferable - sort of junk bonds with time).

Now these assets can be placed in government and other bonds (of impeccable security) - as they reach maturity. What is safer than German sovereign bonds? This means there is always an overestimation of such prime securities. This contributes to the inverse interest curve:

"Normally" a security that only reach maturity after a predetermined number of years will carry a HIGHER interest/yield to compensate for the inflation in the period up to maturity - than short term or cash deposits. But that is building on a flawed assumption, that there will always be a significant inflation - which is not the case. The demand for long term securities generally exceeds the interest curve, and thus press down the yield. I bet you could buy russian securities - but that would grant you immediate commitment to a closed institution for the criminally insane. Let's just say that russian high yield sovereign bonds are going to be VERY cheap for two reasons. There will be a raging inflation in Russia and there is a great chance that Russia is going bankrupt pumping all that money into the war - with no prospect of finding buyers to their newly produced blunder busses.

This means that long term securities are not likely to be as expensive as a "healthy" economy is going to have an inflation less than the annual coupon payments thus the eventual value at maturity will be less than assumed.

Now with the investment in arms production getting under way in Europe the price of munition is going to drop considerably. The munition firms will be able to borrow from the government at a lower interest rate, as they do that investments with background in FIRM government orders. The price for artillery shells might be high today, but war-profiteering can be taxed away (and believe me: It will be). You see the massive donation that the Scandinavian countries plus the Netherlands and Belgium (the F-16 Gang) give to Ukraine is partly financed by cruel fines to the banks that facilitate money laundering. National fideicommis is not possible under Danish law f.i.; but it is under EU law.
The trick is really to get the firms substantial volume orders partly to not only produce to Ukraine, but to restock the Nato depots with modern weapons -and large orders allow the firms to invest in mashinery and tools to lower the price. Does this take time? Yes and No.

The Czeck president Petr Pavel is cool, and can source more shells on short notice if the money is there - and trust me it is. Now Petr Pavel (as one of my other favourite generals: Ben Hodges) has a brain. A good attitude is prerequisite, but good intentions are only hot air, if not backed by brain cells.

And now I am prepared to take your questions.

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Finansiering af oprustning: Det er ikke noget problem. Empty Investeringerne i Ukraine er som jeg siger.

Indlæg af Thomas Man Sep 30, 2024 11:15 am

Det er mestendels Ukraines egne penge.

Danmark bidrager med 1,3 milliarder kroner. Dertil kommer 2,9 milliarder kroner fra indefrosne russiske aktiver, som Danmark udmønter på vegne af EU.

Når man nu vil låne os pengene til under 2% på langt sigt, så kan vi godt veksle til investeringer i Ukraine.

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Indlæg af Thomas Man Sep 30, 2024 11:59 am

Thomas skrev:Det er mestendels Ukraines egne penge.

Danmark bidrager med 1,3 milliarder kroner. Dertil kommer 2,9 milliarder kroner fra indefrosne russiske aktiver, som Danmark udmønter på vegne af EU.

Når man nu vil låne os pengene til under 2% på langt sigt, så kan vi godt veksle til investeringer i Ukraine.

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Finansiering af oprustning: Det er ikke noget problem. Empty Reportage fra Ukraine.

Indlæg af Thomas Tirs Okt 01, 2024 1:30 pm

Ruslands idelige provokationer er - om ikke andet: Irriterende.

According to the Danish Ministry of Defense, Danish Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen is currently in Kyiv. He signed the agreement alongside Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov and Minister for Strategic Industries Herman Smetanin.

By funding weapons manufactured within Ukraine, Denmark is bolstering Ukraine’s long-term capacity to sustain its own defense industry, potentially reducing its dependence on foreign-made arms in the ongoing war with Russia.

The funding for these acquisitions will come from two sources. The Danish government has allocated some 1.3 billion kroner ($2 mn) with parliamentary support, while 2.9 billion kroner ($4,3 mn) will come from frozen Russian assets that Denmark is disbursing on behalf of the EU.

Ideen er bestemt ikke dårlig.
Lad os sige det sådan: Den ukrainske kvalitetskontrol er nok den mest ubarmhjertige. Noget så forholdsvis ukompliceret som at sætte en kanon på en lastbil - jo, det kan man godt klare. Det næste er, at

Men finansieringen er interessant: 1,3 milliard i direkte støtte - det er udmærket, da vi har så svært ved at få udgifterne til at slå til.
Nu er Nationalbankens betænkeligheder ved små serier af obligationer noget pjat, fordi Nationalbanken ALTID er køber og med den valutareserve, så kan man bare spørge hvilken valuta man vil have pengene i?

Det er jo også fornuftigt at investere pengene til et bedre afkast. Dette afkast kan være i form af bedre tilbud fra andre leverandører. Hvis fabrikanten af Archer pludselig finder ud af, at man nok kan komme med et bedre tilbud, så... en krone sparet er en krone tjent.

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Finansiering af oprustning: Det er ikke noget problem. Empty Jeg har før ymtet noget om at danske statsobligationer er objekt

Indlæg af Thomas Lør Okt 12, 2024 8:02 am

fideicommis formue.

Noget tyder på, at det allerede er det.

  • Pakkens samlede beløb er på 600 mio. USD. Dvs. 4,2 mia. DKK. Nok nærmere 4 mia. DKK
  • 1,3 mia. DKK sat til side af Folketinget.
  • 2,9 mia. DKK fra frosne russiske midler. Differencen mellem beløb i DKK og USD må tilskrives afrundinger og hovedregning.
  • De 2,9 mia. DKK er direkte Ukraines penge iht. Fideikommis.
  • Hvis man regner baglæns og siger 2% i afkast, så skulle der være anbragt 150 mia. I Danske Stat. Det er helt klart ikke tilfældet - al den stund, at der kun udstedes 65 mia. i 2024 - noget af det kan så være lagt kontant på folio; men det er næppe heller nok.
    Noget er der, fordi afkastet på både 2026 og 2033 er faldet med hhv. 0,8% og 0,5%.
  • Begge er gået over pari, hvilket til dels skyldes, at der ikke er nævneværdig inflation i Danmark.
  • Mere relevant er nok de afledte effekter:
    1. Den indstrømning af kapital vil rokke ved valutakursen ifht. EUR. Derfor skal de penge ud igen og trykke DKK kursen.
    2. De direkte investeringer i Ukraine er nok så meget en prisregulator på våbensystemer, hvor Trolex omtalte, at Bohdana er meget billigere. Svenskerne bruger også licensproduktion af CV90 til at holde prisen i ave. Rent faktisk er CV90 rimeligt prissat; men der skal volumen til, hvorfor noget af produktionen lægges ud til underleverandører.
  • Det skal bemærkes, at der ikke er nogen sammenhæng mellem folio rente, der fastsætte ifht. valutakursen og bankernes spekulation og obligationsrenten, der nærmere er bestemt af inflationen.


Det er et kompliceret regnestykke. Faktisk så kompliceret, at det nødvendigvis må være en politisk beslutning, der skal skære igennem.
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